Posted: Aug 13, 2006 09:37 Post subject: Live roulette
Greetings,
As all of you know online casinos are grabbing a lot of new players now and offer more and more exciting games and opportunities. I was a real skeptic because I know how easy it is to make a program that simply won't let you win, but one thing that really caught my attention is the appearance of live online roulette.
It is now offered at several casinos online and features live dealers so you can play real roulette at the comfort of your home. Only thing required is a faster internet connection for the live streaming video
It seems quite appealing as you can use all the extra tools like spreadsheets and notes and it seems perfect to use with the super roulette strategies from the main site.
I would like to hear your opinions about this subject.
P.S. you can also chat with the dealer
Here is a screenshot of the game from a popular casino (I covered the name - no advertising needed)
Last edited by Essien on Aug 13, 2006 14:16; edited 1 time in total
I have a serious problem with online gambling: No see, no trust. What is a live dealer? Just another computer program with video and audio functions.
I would trust online gambling only if regulated by a government I trust. I would trust the United States government, but not the government of the state of Nevada, USA. I do not trust a government of a tiny island nation in the Caribbean. Matter of fact, I do not trust the vast majority of the governments in the world.
The United States government takes most issues very seriously. They could simply say: “Let’s regulate the online gambling!” But they realize what a serious and difficult and costly issues that is. I believe they can regulate online gambling in the U.S. offering maximum integrity. The task would be costly, but there is enough money in the U.S. of A. Then, you would have a hard time finding players to play at online casinos outside the United States jurisdiction! Like it is now with the physical casinos: Everybody flies to Las Vegas! Although, Las Vegas is a hell for the skilled player.
That snapshot of an online roulette table looks great. Still, I do not trust it a bit. Ion Saliu advertises for an online poker site, but he has some serious issues:
I have a serious problem with online gambling: No see, no trust. What is a live dealer? Just another computer program with video and audio functions.
I follow the same principle as you...I wouldn't play roulette on a program even if it was verified by the president himself... In these live games the principle is - What you see is what you get... And those dealers are sure something
I think you got me wrong on my first post..you can't see the dealer as the camera zoomed on the wheel at that moment. Here are two more. One is from live blackjack...
I live in Europe so the whole U.S. online gambling regulation is currently not my concern...
Joined: 21 May 2006 Posts: 64 Location: Bucuresti Romania
Posted: Aug 13, 2006 15:49 Post subject:
Essien, be careful with Online Casino.
First when you chose a Online Casino, or a Bookie check if is affiliate to IBAS. IBAS is a institution where you can make complains. I ask you one think : Wherefrom come the bigs bonus ? I tell you : from the others players pockets.
I play in the last time very rare to online roulette. I play with small units (0,05 $) and ONLY in
multi players NO single player. I use the Ion system roulette but more tight. (You can read in this forum). When I win some chips I finish the game. Don't stay to much to table.
In my oppinion the only correct game online is Poker. You play with other brains not with software.
Is only one way to determine me to bet constant in online roulette. If I find a software to bet in my place only when find sleepers (numbers, even mony bets, line streets, corners, etc.).
One empiric example : Morning i go working. I open my PC. I logon in my online roulette account. I open and my Robot Software. I set this software watch the game and bet only when he find this opportuneness :
1.If a split (2numbers) not shown 253 spins, bet (with befit progression) for 91 steps.
2.If a street (3 numbers) not shown 168 spins, bet ------------------------ for 59 steps
3.If a corner (4 numbers) not shown 125 spins, bet-------------------------for 43 steps
4.If a line (6 numbers ) not shown 81 spins, bet --------------------------for 28 steps
5.If a Dozen, or Column (12 numners) not shown 37 spins, bet..............for 12 steps
6.If Even Money Chance ( 18 numbers) not shown 22 spins, bet.............for 7 steps
I set in my Robot Software and a loss point and a winning point. So when i return home, maybe the software find one of upper opportunity and bet in my place. The opportuneness are very rare, and for that we must a software. In the first link you can see only 11 opportuneness in 1 million spins.
I time in one online roulette and I see aprox 900 spins in one hour. (with not show animation setting).
Ion, sorry i put this lynks but the guy St0rm0r, and Arteinvivo are great sill on programme and share all for free. (like you).
P.S. I use one software in Poker (Texas Calculatem). This software is designed to watch my cards
when i play online and tel me when if god to bet, raise, fold, etc. acording to numbers of players, and the flop, river, turn, etc. Is complete legal to use this software and i have license. If i can find a software like this for online Roulette...
Joined: 01 Oct 2006 Posts: 4 Location: Portugal; E.U.
Posted: Oct 23, 2006 16:40 Post subject:
Hello Essien,
I also play online live roulette. They cannot cheat the game, since we are looking at wheel all the times. Would advise nevertheless to be carefull in what casinos you play. Make sure you get paid. Monaco Gold pays fair, but don't accept any bonuses, or you will have to wagger for the rest of your days _________________ In all chaos there is a cosmos, in all disorder a secret order. by Carl Jung
Playing live online roulette is a great way to almost get that real casino excitement, if you enjoy casino games. I believe that playing an online roulette is a game of luck. Cheating cannot be done in playing online roulette but we must be very careful while playing casinos.
Posted: May 15, 2008 04:32 Post subject: Playing Live Online Roulette
Hi,
Playing live online roulette is a great way to almost get that real casino excitement, if you enjoy casino games. I believe that playing an online roulette is a game of luck. Cheating cannot be done in playing online roulette but we must be very careful while playing casinos.
Posted: Mar 12, 2009 22:08 Post subject: NO THANKS
Another old post, but for those who read it - DON'T BOTHER with this. I actually thought about this being a good idea if someone were to do it. Real spins, real wheel, real everything with a live stream. Have you ever heard of "time delay" or something similar? Have you ever heard of magnets or manipulating devices under or beside the table? How do you know the ball is non-metallic or a plethora of other potential scamming techniques? I wouldn't touch this with a PENNY. It may be interesting to watch if you are really bored but I can't see anyone betting away from a real joint where there is no evidence of anti-fraud protection.
I want to add to this stuff the electronic roulette wheel. They may be installed in physical casinos. I expect they will be installed big-time in brick-and-mortar casinos, especially after the economic recession that engulfed the world beginning 2008. The electronic roulette cuts off a whole lot in costs, especially personnel costs. Also, the electronic wheel is a whole lot faster than mechanical, human-operated, roulette wheels.
Yet, I strongly advise against the electronic roulette games. The player does NOT see a thing. No see, no trust, I sez. They must make public the source code of all electronic roulette wheels. Reliable third-party auditors must endorse the source code. That is, the auditor must confirm that the source code they read and understood was implemented in the chip of a particular electronic roulette wheel.
Secondly, the electronic roulette wheels allow for UNACCEPTABLE margins between the minimum and the maximum bets. A real gambler should stay away from casino tables where the ratio between the min and the MAX is under 128; e.g. if min is $10, the MAX must be at least 1280. A reasonable casino table should read:
~ minimum bet: $10
~ MAXIMUM bet: $1500.
The electronic roulette wheels are programmed for the INSANE tenfold margin. That is, $1 minimum bet and $10 maximum bet! The kokodrilos (a.k.a. big-time gamblers) should stay (far) away from such tables! Like they stay away from the electronic (slot) blackjack machines after I posted my warnings. Those places are very cold and mostly empty these days in physical casinos.
The old idiots and idiotesses are still playing big at the regular slots. They don't give a damn that the slots are programmed. The slots don't give a damn on mathematics, probability, or odds. The odds are simply programmed to swallow at least 10% of all inserts.
Bigger problem is, the takeout is a lot larger! They count a real push as a win! For example, you insert one coin and the result is one coin. If you cash out, you just get your coin back. It is a push, but the machine counts it as win for the player. I assume the real house edge at the regular (play-for-dummies) slots must be 50%, or higher! Did you know that casino percentage winnings at blackjack are at least 10%, while the mathematical odds are 2% (basic strategy)? The roulette percentage winnings are at least 20%? Read this damn unsettlingly stuff:
There was mention in an old post somewhere about the roulette machine. It is not a digital - slot-like - machine - but an actual full wheel with no croupier. It has 8 seating positions that you can enter your bet from. It is all electronic. The wheel speed and ball ejection speed is supposedly random - but programmed with some 30 different inital velocities etc. I like the setup but am still concerned about the fact that the wheel COULD be slowed or sped-up at anytime. I have been told that this is not done. Proof anyone??? I like that it has a $1 minimum ON THE INSIDE and I believe a $100 maximum.
Maximums - can they not be somewhat played with? Meaning if you have $100 - and it is the MAX - on a few inside numbers as opposed to larger amounts on the outside - could you not then put splits and streets and quads and lines etc with large amounts as well which would act as larger flat bets on a single number - thus going over the "limit?"
I don't think I would want to play a system that needed to go from $10 to upwards of $1000 for an outside bet. I don't know what the maximum outside bets are in Ontario. I thought they had spans like $15 to $1500 or $25 to $5000 but I'm not sure.
I actually thought about this being a good idea if someone were to do it. Real spins, real wheel, real everything with a live stream.
We have this in the UK, roulette on TV. Surely it is a good idea, a roulette game that thousands of people can play simultaneously (why would you need to cheat?, just impose the usual strict table limits and earn). As soon as i saw it the first time i wondered why i had never thought of it.
I am cynical abouth these things too, but having played and watched a while it seems reasonable to me. I have a few data files that i mean to check with Skipsystem, i have only gotten around to looking at one so far, but i would be willing to wager that someone has used this program to the detriment of these websites
They also have an "auto-wheel" (apparently pneumatic) which spins faster than the version with the presenter. Now this is unnerving! How beautiful if it isn't rigged
Posted: Oct 23, 2009 15:37 Post subject: Location Location Location
As i said on another post, the issue with online casinos is size and location, when you have multiple locations, licences, complains boards, industry awards, and public companies i think you have something...
Leave the US alone for now they will bring some great solution mean while stick to the rules and choose a great online casino, the industry is becoming quite big, select, select select well.. look Europe,
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